In response to Spunky (from the unban thread)

Taking this out of that thread to avoid spamming it.

Spunky wrote:

Um, the very fact that Don is using my Vampire Mod is proof that he's open to a little supernatural twist to the everyday, normal RP (which can sometimes be quite boring). It's obviously not a 100% "rl-RP" server, now is it?

You made... a mod for vampire rp?
Wow...
No wonder tsrp is dying in the ass... no one cares about realistic rp anymore.
I mean fuck... there was a time when the cool thing to do was to make a mod for say... weapon creation or PDA's with cool functions...
Now people are reduced to making vampire mods and slowly but surely eliminating all realism in an rp mod designed primarily for REAL LIFE RP, hence the maps and default job lists etc etc.

I guess squirtle squad as the FD doesn't sound far-fetched and fucking stupid to you either does it?
FUCK I MISS AUSSIERP, sure the players might have been dicks 90% of the time... but at least the rp was fucking decent and not supernatural horseshit.

Can you honestly defend sitting there making an unrealistic mod for tsrp instead of one to make rp more realistic and easy-flowing?

1. It was the first plugin for ARP I ever wrote.
2. I've always wanted to see vampires in an RP environment, and see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
3. TSRP will never return to its classic self. It has been forever changed and all we can do is change with it. A vampire mod is harmless and easily ignored by those who aren't involved in that RP, even in the very same server. You didn't even know there was a fucking vampire mod until just today and it's been in the server for months now.
4. Wahhh nub, wahhh. Cry some more. You're the only person to complain since it was installed, and that was way back on Burbank.

Don't complain just to complain. It hasn't affected you in any way. Go back to doing whatever it is you do on the server and you'll find it's quite easy to ignore.

1: First plugin or not it ruins the realism that tsrp offers(used to offer). Whatever time spent on making your vampire mod could have been spent either making a realistic plugin or if you REALLY must rp unrealistic bullshit... you can rp a vampire with just /me actions quite easily.

2: So you see absolutely nothing wrong with taking a roleplaying environment that is meant to emulate real life situations and lives and throw fairytale characters and monsters in it?

3: It is very possible for it to go back to the old days, it's called skill, motivation and commitment. Something alot of people are lacking(just a generalisation dont get all defensive i wasn't naming names). I was never in-game for Burbank and am yet to make a full return to Iburg, hence why I only discovered this travesty today.
If it's so easy to ignore... then why was it necessary to create in the first place? Why couldn't you just keep your fantasy 'roleplay' to /me actions?

4: Being the only person to complain only shows who really cares about the quality of RP on the server. So what if you're top shit at roleplaying a vampire... it's meant to be real-life rp not fantasy rp.

So ya know... pulling out generic "cry more" internet banter is more of a "thanks for caring about tsrp but we really don't"



All in all:
Vampire rp initself = for immature tards who have to ruin realistic roleplay with fantasy bullshit
Your plugin = a waste of time, vampire rp as shit as it is can easily be pulled off without an extra plugin
Your defense of creating crap instead of gold = fail

It was created for those who like it. Burbank pretty much revolved entirely around the vampire RP, and people got really into it. If it's not for you, that's fine, but don't bash it for that. If you like it, you're welcome to join in. Otherwise, it's easy to ignore. I was talking to Azura about this thread and here's what she had to say, quoted verbatim:

Azura wrote:

8:04 AM - Spunky: Nubs be hatin' on mah vamp mod.
8:04 AM - {Azura Sarah}: I saw.
8:04 AM - {Azura Sarah}: And to be honest, The best RP I've had on the server so far is because of the vampires.
8:04 AM - Spunky: I've always wanted to see vampires in an RP environment.
8:04 AM - {Azura Sarah}: As a matter of fact it's an ongoing Rp.
8:04 AM - Spunky: Indeed.
8:05 AM - Spunky: Siph does it well.
8:05 AM - {Azura Sarah}: Mmm
8:05 AM - Spunky: I was the patriarch on Burbank.
8:05 AM - Spunky: Then I left.
8:05 AM - {Azura Sarah}: My character knows Siph isn't human
8:05 AM - Spunky: And Siph inherited it.
8:05 AM - {Azura Sarah}: But doesn't know what siph is exactly
8:05 AM - Spunky: Ah.
8:05 AM - Spunky: Yeah that's always the best.
8:05 AM - {Azura Sarah}: During siph's second attempt to trance me, since I was weakened from the feeding about 15 mins before
8:06 AM - {Azura Sarah}: I fell down onto my katana and the pain overwelmed his trance, but he tried to heal me using supernatural powers.
8:06 AM - {Azura Sarah}: Thats about as far as my character knows.
8:06 AM - {Azura Sarah}: And my Katana is covered in James Dibbi's vampire blood.
8:06 AM - Spunky: That's far better than most of our RPs on Burbank. O_o
8:07 AM - {Azura Sarah}: James was rather stupid not to get rid of my katana when he kidnapped me.

It's really not that bad. Not to repeat myself, but ignore it if you don't like it. Quit whining over something that has no affect whatsoever on your roleplay.

As for it being a waste of time, I've also written other useful things like /sit, /walk, Car Mod, and I'm currently writing and recording voice emotes as I simultaneously continue further development on Car Mod. I've got some plans for other nice plugins to be announced soon as well. So don't say I'm ruining TSRP because I released a plugin aimed at a very specific group. You don't have to use it. Your complaining is entirely pointless because it's not going to get the plugin removed, and you still won't be affected by it.

Last minute quote by Azura before I post:

Azura wrote:

8:21 AM - {Azura Sarah}: Oh and, for his points.
8:22 AM - {Azura Sarah}: They fail.
8:22 AM - {Azura Sarah}: Your never going to create a realistic RP environment inside a game.
8:22 AM - {Azura Sarah}: Text-Based roleplays are the only real way to create a perfect RP environment.
8:23 AM - {Azura Sarah}: The fact that every character inside a game is 'equal' in terms of HP, Combat strength and weapon proficency.
8:24 AM - {Azura Sarah}: Where as in Text-Based RP, it's alot alot easier to create diversity.
8:24 AM - {Azura Sarah}: When people roleplay combat in the specialists, it is real time, and it strays from roleplay and becomes just a match of skill between two users.
8:24 AM - {Azura Sarah}: Because most people often fight to win.
8:24 AM - {Azura Sarah}: Vampire mod creates an actual imbalance between these fighters
8:25 AM - {Azura Sarah}: because vampires take less damage.
8:25 AM - {Azura Sarah}: And vampires are ment to be stronger anyway.
8:25 AM - {Azura Sarah}: So it therefor makes the combat based on actual abilities than individual skill.
8:25 AM - {Azura Sarah}: More so..

Despite not being a big text-based RPer myself, I wholeheartedly agree with her first point.

I won't disagree that it can be fun, it can be very well roleplayed and I'm sure you're all above or on par at it.
No disrespect or offense aimed at Azura, but I never bow out just because another person disagrees with me no matter who they are. Just because a whole group of people like the mod doesn't make it unrealistic, it doesn't make it something that should be put in an RL-RP server.
It's like if x people say murder is awesome, murder is no longer illegal.

I'm not saying all this to get it removed, if Don approves there is nothing I can do about it. I'm simply trying to figure out what was in your head when you decided to ditch realistic rp for fantasy rp.
I also wasn't trying to question your coding skills or whatnot, I'm not saying you personally ruin rp, the mod does.
Sure it creates a new rp persona for players to engage in if they so desire, but in return players deviate from classic real life roleplay which is what made tsrp so good back in the day.

Think about it... had you not introduced the vampire crap for Burbank (provided there was a user base) people would have been roleplaying real life situations and scenarios. Not prancing about as a super human vampire immortal thing.
I do agree entirely about the combat side of tsrp vs text based rp... but a good roleplayer's first thought should not be to the combat side... Not to mention good roleplayers can roleplay fights and bring in the diversity themselves.
I've seen it before and it worked very well, however it does require participation from all parties involved. Good roleplay is a 2 way street, have you ever actually tried using /me for combat and making yourself lose?
If no one shows the initiative for something like that of course it isn't going to happen.

My point being... you had 2 choices... create a vampire plugin to force diversity at the cost of realism... or walk up to someone and lead by example by roleplaying a fight and losing yourself or just plain being unique with it all.
Unfortunately you chose option one.

You don't need a plugin to roleplay a bit of character development and uniqueness.
You don't need to roleplay a vampire to have diversity among the players.
Instead of bringing in fantasy rp, is it too much to ask of you to ditch the vampire crap and step-up your RL-RP?
(not insulting your RL-RP directly, but you did make a fantasy rp mod instead of just using /me while roleplaying a human >_>)


For the record though:
Mod or no mod I will ignore any and all forms of vampire/supernatural rp.
No matter the quality of the rp itself I have no intention of engaging in or acknowledging it, but that doesn't change my opinion of it.

My goal for the Vampire Mod was not to create a realm of fantasy, but to blend fantasy in with reality. On Burbank, yeah, there were vampires. A whole 3 of them. Everybody else was human and just interacted with us from time to time. But it was incredibly fun.

I can understand you not liking it. Really I can. I've seen other mods for TSRP that have made me say "WTF" too, but I happen to like vampires, and I've always wanted to implement a system for roleplaying one into a game. With the mod, there's a real working thirst, and a strength increase. You have to feed to survive, creating a demand for roleplay because the only way to do that is to interact with players. I could have made a "blood pack" item or something similar, but I ultimately decided against that. Also, most characters had no idea we were vampires. Our security depended on remaining unknown. Being a vampire isn't a job, just like being a human isn't a job. You could still roleplay as a cop or whatever one moment, and then when that RP was finished you could go tend to your vampire stuff.

This comes back to what I was saying about it not affecting you even slightly. Unless you go actively searching for vampires, your character will never discover any. The vampires on the server will interact with you the same way they would if they weren't vampires. They still have normal jobs and do everything else that you do.

You can hate it, but it's not hurting you in any way. So really, why the hell bother?

Oh... I was under the impression that there was more than 3.
At least you're able to see it on my level, not very often you come across that in the tsrp community in general.
The way you made the mod is very good, and your recount of how it was/is roleplayed sounds to be very acceptable.
It's the whole concept of bringing in fantasy monsters to RL-RP that I am against.

I know it's a waste of time sticking up for realism in TSRP, but even still I stand by "TSRP can be saved if people show the initiative"
I haven't been in a decent rp server on any game since aussieRP died, I just want to find a server that has acceptable roleplay, good roleplayers and nothing to do with any sort of fantasy or unrealistic crap.
Like you said and I agree with, the plugin/vampire rp is well hidden and easily ignored but it's still in the game and at some point or another it will affect someone who may not be aware of it but they may very well feel the same way as me.
I mean... put yourself in my shoes for a sec right...
I'm sitting in a bar talking with the mafia about a drug shipment or someshit... a real in-depth, realistic scenario... then some team of people roleplaying vampires comes in and ruins our RP by 'feasting' on the people inside.
Would your first reaction really be that different from "What the fuck is this shit? take your childish crap out of here we had great rp going on"?

I do admire your initiative to spice up the servers rp, but I really don't see why it takes a vampire plugin and vampire rp to do that. I agree with vampires being cool and all, but not in an RL-RP server.

Granted I am probably overusing 'real life rp' but when the maps are built to resemble cities and there is an economy + merchants involved that directly emulates real life... That's not an environment where you should be seeing vampires at all.
Just on a side note... if one of the intentions was to bring diversity into combat and fights... why not make a leper mod or... roleplay someone with one arm etc etc.
There are so many alternatives to spicing up rp and balancing out combat that don't involve fantasy/unrealistic content.



EDIT:
Forgot to mention, I have ALOT of respect for the fact that you didn't make jobs or an org for this.

Well, your example would never happen. But assuming it did, I could understand your frustration. However, that isn't the case, so I feel you have nothing to worry about. Also, I didn't write the vampire mod to spice anything up. I wrote it out of my own personal desire to see a working system for vampire roleplay in a server, as I've now stated a total of 3 times. Don decided to use it without any convincing by me, which leads me to believe he wants it in the server at least half as much as I do, so it's safe to say this isn't strictly a "RL-RP" server. I can understand your want for that, and you can still get that from this server without any difficulty, so just let it go.

Tell you what though, why don't you ask Si to leave you completely out of anything vampire related? He'll relay the information to the other vampires (I think there's only 1 other right now, but I haven't been active in the vampire RP since we changed maps) and everyone will be happy.

Wait didn't you say your mod forces bloodlust on the vampires?
Meaning at some point someone's rp is going to get interrupted by the vampire rp...

But yea, our points have been stretched far enough... Kudos for how it's set up I'll just steer clear.

Nah, it won't interrupt anything. On Burbank I would sometimes spend like 30 minutes looking for someone to feed on, just waiting for the right opportunity to initiate the RP. Nobody ever rushed in and fucked up anybody's RP. Stalking humans was fun. xD

Anyway, since we've resolved this:
- CLOSED.