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PostSubject: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeThu Jul 03, 2008 12:33 am

Since it is Russia who is the Army the uniforms should be red and black/grey The higher ranks with a hat. I will go into more detail when I have the ranks all set up.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 6:57 pm

Alright, heres how we can realistically portray the Russian Military, I believe the Russians would over the years gain a major sci-fi look, while realistically staying to the current Modern Day themes for it.

Here's a basis for the current Russian Militaries color scheme.

http://illiweb.com/fa/pbucket.gif

Of course that isen't the uniform, they would obviously have the helmet and gear and shit, but thats just a basis for what can be used as camoflauge.

Now, the Russian Army also uses a Land Warrior System nowadays, which can be seen here:

http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/newsstoryPhoto/2004-03/200403254a.jpg

The Land Warrior system is the entire uniform as well as the radio gear, Night Vision, and enchanced sights as you would see in any sci-fi game, so heres what you modellers can do to realisticaly portray it. We'll use Mass Effect as a basis,

http://gamesprite.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/mass_effect.jpg

As you can see, its a much brighter and much tighter form of armour, but seeing as we cant really use shields as a part of RP, we can mix this style into the form of a bulky Military Uniform, and add in the sights, Radio Microphones, etc, and putting on the Color Scheme.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 7:25 pm

yes, I am hoping for a difference in military command ( a dress uniform ) and the active duty personel ( battle regaila ).



I think the cerberus set wiould be a good base to hack off of, but its totaly up to you in the long run ray.

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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 4:37 am

The model 'sovietsoldier' is really nice and because the face is covered, it offers a really intimidating look. I think it would be nice if someone could modify that.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 11:35 am

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The model 'sovietsoldier' is really nice and because the face is covered, it offers a really intimidating look. I think it would be nice if someone could modify that.

Same token Sovietsoldier has no futuristic touch to it.
I think something like Repuguard2, just with a different color-scheme would be far more appropriate for the server. Different Armor for different settings though.

I wuold imagine the Soviet Army is smart enough to have different color-schemes based on teh setting, as to work with that area.

Don Punch, basically what you want is the National Socialist Style, as far as differences between enlisted and officers, as well as formal-wear for an officer?
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 11:58 am

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RomaN wrote:
The model 'sovietsoldier' is really nice and because the face is covered, it offers a really intimidating look. I think it would be nice if someone could modify that.

Same token Sovietsoldier has no futuristic touch to it.
I think something like Repuguard2, just with a different color-scheme would be far more appropriate for the server. Different Armor for different settings though.

I wuold imagine the Soviet Army is smart enough to have different color-schemes based on teh setting, as to work with that area.

Don Punch, basically what you want is the National Socialist Style, as far as differences between enlisted and officers, as well as formal-wear for an officer?

Actually the Russian Federation's current scheme, shown above, surprisingly can blend in with a woodland setting very well, but they also have a special Woodland Camoflauge, just for that enviroment, as seen here:

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/new-photos23/ticamo4b.jpg

And I have a better picture of the Blue Tiger camoflauge that the Russian Military uses nowadays:

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/new-photos23/blutgerb.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 1:47 pm

I'm not trying to say we need a set scheme, but instead an assembly of schemes for each area. The military will likely have Units, each Unit primarily staying in one sector.

For example: Woodland for Kridon V, Red Tiger for Earth, Blue Tiger for Moon Base, Black n Grey for Space Station.

As far as Uniform, I'm thinking in the sense that Russia means shit. This Soviet Army could have been born from a combination of Russia, the European Union, and the USA for whatever reason, and they tried several governments until a Soviet-style was given a try and worked (for now). No ones knows, no one cares, but we are NOT a single culture, is my primary point. Our armor and uniforms are probably based off American/European armor, as they have always been cutting edge, but weapons/industrial mass production more Russian influenced. I only used the ranks as they ARE Soviet, from there we don't need anything from Russia.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 2:00 pm

Actually, besides differences with quality of equiptment, America, European Countries, and Russia, they mostly look the same from the outside with color scheme differences and different insignias.

If you don't know, as I have stated before, all modern countries use the Land Warrior System, and I gave ides how that could be adapted to a newer model, but obviously the best camoflauge is going to be used no matter what the country, Woodland and ACU would probably be chosen above the rest.

So in the end, there are no major differences between the combat gear of the three cultures other than equiptment.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 2:21 pm

Enough debating about camouflage and which countries one is better. The decision is entirely Sentry's.


I suggest a model of this be made for Officers:

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I think Soldiers should stick to the traditional russian tiger stripe bdu for dress (with red beret, not green).

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And for battlefield attire, same model but with a tight bulletproof vest, shoulder pads, knee pads, tactical utility belt, holster for a pistol and maybe a gas mask, etc etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 3:20 pm

The model should be masked, that way it dosent look like we have clones for an army.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 4:11 pm

We don't need camouflage I think. Just something like a dress uniform that can easily be made and look good. Like I was saying to Kill before is armor like in MassEffect the N7 armor you start with. Something simple that comes with a mask.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeFri Jul 11, 2008 3:49 pm

More trenchcoats.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeSun Jul 13, 2008 9:11 am

Urban DPM humans with visable HUD displays (e.g. an optic sight over an eye) who operate the Space Station. Win. Oh, and they should have some sort of assault rifle.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeSun Jul 13, 2008 3:36 pm

Kill3456 wrote:
Now, the Russian Army also uses a Land Warrior System nowadays, which can be seen here:

http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/newsstoryPhoto/2004-03/200403254a.jpg
That Russian Land Warrior looks suspiciously like a US soldier in American Desert Tri-color camouflage with an American patch on his shoulder. Wink


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Actually, besides differences with quality of equiptment, America, European Countries, and Russia, they mostly look the same from the outside with color scheme differences and different insignias.

If you don't know, as I have stated before, all modern countries use the Land Warrior System, and I gave ides how that could be adapted to a newer model, but obviously the best camoflauge is going to be used no matter what the country, Woodland and ACU would probably be chosen above the rest.

So in the end, there are no major differences between the combat gear of the three cultures other than equiptment.
Uh, of course all soldiers look the same if you're not counting color scheme or equipment. That's kind of all that they're wearing. Anyhow, Land Warrior isn't just a soldier equipped with his normal equipment, a radio, and advanced optics. Land Warrior is (was!) a very American project, that strove to keep track of all soldiers' positions in real time, allow them to communicate effectively (think Squad groups in Battlefield), and a bunch of nifty helmet doohickeys. To say that all countries utilize Land Warrior because they have radios and optics is a bit of a stretch.

Agreed with Holt, fuck camouflage. Basing our decision on modern-day camouflage schemes is pointless because... they're modern. I don't even see why it's necessary, even when the player is on the planet. Implementing trench coats would be awesome, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeMon Jul 14, 2008 11:28 am

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The model should be masked, that way it dosent look like we have clones for an army.

Not masked indefinately, I think more Obscured.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeMon Jul 14, 2008 11:16 pm

I'm liking the brain storming. I love the idea of a face cover of some sort, but not sure what. I like the idea of creating a 'mask' sorta like the typical "drama mask" associated with Shakespearean works, but in a charcoal grey, and done in a way that the eyes are dark spots, and it just looks ominous. Just a thought. Another idea is full face helmets.

For clothing, a futuristic abstract shape camouflage. It's never been done, and it's probably entirely useless in realistic terms, but if you just made some abstract shapes in various colour pertaining to the scheme, greys, black and white for urban, of course, and then made the seamless, then painted it over a base clothing texture, that could work. Throw some more ideas just for pattern out.

Dress uniforms always look best as a variation of the slack and long sleeved shirt variation. I'm thinking US Marines dress uniform, but less American. I love that uniform, even though I'm all Navy.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeTue Jul 15, 2008 11:41 am

Welcome to the team, RR. It's good to see you here. I hope we can work together well.

Yes, helmets are a good idea, however they shouldn't be present on dress uniforms.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeTue Jul 15, 2008 12:09 pm

I was thinking somewhat like the marines in Halo. They wear the same uniform for enlistedmen.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeTue Jul 15, 2008 3:09 pm

Sounds good, and would be easy enough to put a bunch of faces on them without a lot of work

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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeTue Jul 15, 2008 4:55 pm

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I was thinking somewhat like the marines in Halo. They wear the same uniform for enlistedmen.

That's funny, I was thinking the same thing. That optical thing they have over their eye, their uniform/ armor...
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeTue Jul 15, 2008 11:33 pm

Sader, Target, and I were gonna do some FrozenValley thing along time ago, and we came up with some Officer model. http://files.filefront.com/WIPpolicerar/;10611106;/fileinfo.html
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeFri Jul 18, 2008 4:43 pm

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Kill3456 wrote:
Now, the Russian Army also uses a Land Warrior System nowadays, which can be seen here:

http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/newsstoryPhoto/2004-03/200403254a.jpg
That Russian Land Warrior looks suspiciously like a US soldier in American Desert Tri-color camouflage with an American patch on his shoulder. Wink

I'de like to quote this, and don't take any offence from this, but obviously for an intellectual person such as yourself, I think you would know that I was only using the picture for a reference.

Secondly, the Russians, and most Modern Technologically and GDP Capable countries have a system such as the Land Warrior System, which, again, I was just using as a basis.

The only pictures I could find of Fully equipted Russian soldiers was Spetsnaz from the First and Second Chechen war, seen here:

http://www.rms3d.com/images/Chechnya/2/IMG_9276.jpg

You can see something semi-like the LWS, and also, fuck camoflauge? I thought there was a planet map being made around the basis of a Jungle and lush enviroment, and another part of the Planet a Desert.

If there was a tactical engagement, obviously you don't want to stand out to the enemy who can easily pick you off from a distance, it may be the future, but we aren't at the point where it's Mass Effect yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeFri Jul 18, 2008 4:50 pm

I don't see any sort of LWS on those guys. Kevlar helmets, web gear, and old weapons. Also, huge baggy pants on the gunner. But I definitely don't see any LWS type systems.

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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeFri Jul 18, 2008 4:51 pm

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I don't see any sort of LWS on those guys. Kevlar helmets, web gear, and old weapons. Also, huge baggy pants on the gunner. But I definitely don't see any LWS type systems.

When was the Chechen War, tell me that.
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PostSubject: Re: Military Models   Military Models Icon_minitimeFri Jul 18, 2008 8:25 pm

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I don't see any sort of LWS on those guys. Kevlar helmets, web gear, and old weapons. Also, huge baggy pants on the gunner. But I definitely don't see any LWS type systems.

When was the Chechen War, tell me that.

The first one was in the mid 90s and the second one started in 1999.
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